Jihad in America
Within the borders of the United States, terrorist agents
raise money, train, plot and plan their international
networks of Islamic extremists committed to Jihad in
America. It's threat is more relevant and pressing than
The terrorists wish a holy war or armed struggle to defeat
the non-believers (infidels) and establish their ultimate
goal, an Islamic empire across the face of the Earth.
In 1981 Islamic militants assassinated Egyptian president
Anwar Sadat, America's closest Arab ally. This gave the
radicals the confidence that they can strike their enemies
Sheik Abdullah Azzam (a Palestinian who fought against
regimes he believed were puppets of the US and Israel)
oversaw the American headquarters at the Al-Kifah Refugee
Center in Brooklyn, N.Y. The literal translation of their
letterhead from Arabic means, "Office of Services to
the Holy Warriors." From the AKRC, a sophisticated
network of centers in 38 cities across the U.S.A. has been
organized, supporting Jihad around the world and
recruiting members for Jihad. From these centers they
raised money, recruited thousands of Muslim fighters for Afghanistan
and later this network was transformed into an
international Jihad network. At a recruiting meeting in
Brooklyn, Sheik Abdullah Azzam spoke as follows:
"Oh brothers. After Afghanistan (it's liberation)
nothing in the world is impossible anymore. There are no
superpowers or mini-powers. What matters is the willpower
that springs from our religious beliefs. There is no
turning back from this tone to the blissful, to the Uzi,
to the Karnam, to the RPG. And then you can expect Allah's
"Anti-American militants found that the U.S.A. was
the best place to produce films, videos, collect funds,
disseminate propaganda and build their political
organization, which extends around the world."
B. Revell, Former FBI Official & Counter Terrorism
Tamin Al-Adnani (A
Palestinian Sheik, a vigorous fundraiser and recruiter of
fighting members and Azzam's top aide) stated in Kansas in
"We solve our problems in the trenches, not in the
hotels... [By] fighting... Best thing is continued Jihad.
Nothing but Jihad. Even after liberation of Afghanistan,
continue Jihad in [all the other countries]... We will not
stop. We have promised Allah we will liberate Palestine.
If anybody steps in the way, Oh my God, I will step on
him... We will
smash them. If any ruler will not let us go, we will go by
At the First conference on Jihad held in Brooklyn, N.Y.
Azzam urged attendees to wage Jihad everywhere. In his
words: " The word Jihad means fighting only...
fighting with the sword. "
Azzam was assassinated in 1989 in Pakistan, making him a
martyr to radical Muslims everywhere. Azzam's cousin Fayiz
Azzam called even louder in Atlanta in 1990 for Jihad,
words which we sadly see being put into action.
religion be praised ... must offer martyrs. Blood must
flow. There must be widows and there must be orphans.
Hands and limbs must be cut and the limbs and flood must
be spread everywhere in order that Allah's religion stand
on it's feet."
Sheik Tamim Al-Adnani in Brooklyn urged attendees to a
conference to prepare for the holy war. A number of
attendees were later suspects in the WTC bombing. He
encouraged shooting practice and stated,
"Brothers, I encourage you to attend the shooting
practice. There is nothing greater than the power of the
shot... He who has begun learning how to shoot and did not
go through with the training is not one of us. And from
here we move on to the true shooting, against the enemies
Sayyed Nosair (An Egyptian immigrant, left) was arrested
in November, 1990, for the murder of activist Rabbi Meir
Kahane (founder of the Jewish Defense League, who
advocated the expulsion of the Arabs from Israel, right).
The judge in the trial, Alvin Schlesinger stated that
never in his life had he seen "such raw, red, hatred,
that existed between any groups or persons... it was the
kind of hatred that went far beyond any doctrine or cause.
It was raw, red and violent."
Nosair's personal possessions (one of the largest
collection of terrorist materials ever found in the U.S.,
which were overlooked until after the WTC bombing) were
plans for blowing up U.S. skyscrapers, formulas for bomb
making, detailed aircraft attack plans, assassination
targets and classified military documents. The papers also
revealed that Nosair was at the heart of a worldwide
terrorist network, headquartered in the U.S.A.
had spelled out his plans in a notebook,
have to thoroughly demoralize the enemies of God, by means
of destroying and blowing up the towers that constitute
the pillars of their civilization, such as the tourist
attractions they are so proud of, and the high buildings
they are proud of."
Sheik Omar Abdul Rahman (the leader of the militant
Egyptian movement) took control of the Jihad movement in
the U.S.A. in 1990. The killing of Rabbi Meir Kahane was
one of the first acts of terrorism allegedly attributed
to Rahman. It is also well known that he helped entice
radicals to kill Anwar Sadat.
Sheik Omar Abdul Rahman actively recruited followers
across the United States. He has since been convicted for
his involvement in the East African Embassy attacks and is
serving time in a US prison. He spoke in Detroit in 1991
obligation of Allah is upon us to wage Jihad for the sake
of Allah. It is one of the obligations which we must
undoubtedly fulfill... And we conquer the land of the
infidels, and we spread Islam, by calling the infidels to
Allah. And if they stand in our way, then we wage Jihad
for the sake of Allah."
Saif Ashmawy, a non-violent Muslim, who publishes
"Voice of Peace" an Arabic newspaper, stated:
"Now they have worse than Ayatullah Khomeini after
The Jihad movement in the U.S.A. has attracted Islamic
followers "willing to put words into action,"
such as the convicted conspirators in the 1993 World Trade
Center bombers. Mach Mudd and Mohammad Alu-Alima ( charged
four years later as conspirators in the WTC bombing) were
seen at a 1989 Brooklyn Jihad rally.
Siddiq Ali (Sudanese)
recruited followers in N.J. in 1992, months before the
1993 WTC bombing. He is accused of being an architect of
Sheik Omar Abdul Rahman's campaign of terror.
"The sword is to be absolutely used and implemented.
This is as a principle."
Clement Rodney Hampton-El, (who allegedly helped plan the
killing of Rabbi Meir Kahane) spoke in 1988 in NY:
is something that has to be implemented. Jihad is not a
thing we speak of. It is a thing we do."
Nosair (the alleged killer of Kahane) met with World
Trade Center bombing conspirators while in prison, helping
plan the bombing and continually pushed for the movement
to move forward, to take strident action.
plan (1993 World Trade Center bombing) didn't shift into
high gear until the arrival in the US of Akman Ajjaj and
Ramzi Yousef five months before the bombing. Akman Ajjaj
was imprisoned for having false passports. He had in his
possession a vast collection of bomb making instructions
and videos. His partner Ramzi Yousef managed to enter the
country and built the bomb in a New Jersey safe house. He
spoke regularly with Ajjaj in prison. Ramzi Yousef escaped
hours after the WTC blast and was later extradited from
Pakistan and is now in prison in the US.
In the summer of 1993, Sheik Omar Abdul Rahman and 14
followers were indicted for the bombing of the WTC, and
accused for plotting bombings of the Lincoln and Holland
tunnels and the United Nations building and also planning
the assassinations of prominent Americans. Later, in April
1994 in the first of a series of trials, four followers of
Sheik Rahman, Mohammad Salima, Makhmud Abu Halima, Niyow
Ayad and Akhman Ajjaj were sentenced to 240 years each.
But they are not alone. They are only one of several
radical groups who have set up networks throughout the
United States to support international terrorism. This
networks include two of the most notorious terrorist
organizations in the world.
Oliver B. Revell, former FBI official stated, "The Hizballah
and the Hamas are very active in the United
B. Revell further stated that these groups have carried
out military training, firearms practice, construction of
explosive devices and are putting together arsenals, all
within the U.S.A.!!!
Sheik Abdul Wali Zindani of Brooklyn's Al-Kifah Refugee
Center, denies involvement in terrorist bombings and
assassinations attributed to his center. He was however
revealed by his words at a Brooklyn gathering as a leading
Islamic holy warrior,
the most high and exalted, ordered us to kill the idol
worshippers, the enemies of Allah... Fight the idol
worshippers wherever you find them. Pursue them and finish
Located in the suburb of Dallas, Richardson Texas is
Hamas' principal U.S. support group, the Islamic
Association for Palestine (IAP), which publishes Hamas
books and leaflets, found in scores of branches in the
Editor Mohammad Al-Hassam of the Muslim World Monitor,
published by IAP, also publishes directives urging Muslims
to die in the holy war against Jews, calling them
"enemies of humanity, "the blood suckers,"
and "killers of the prophets." The IAP regularly
publishes anti-Semitic literature, labeling them
"America's Greatest Enemy, the Jew."
Aqsa Vision (an IAP group) produces informational videos
and has produced a Hamas video, where credit is taken for
executions, torture and terrorist operations in Palestine.
Research by Steven Emerson has uncovered more than thirty
tax-exempt groups in the U.S.A. which fund radical Islamic
are collecting money not for humanitarian aspects, but
munitions, weapons and military capabilities... If you
listen to what they are really saying, this is not just
aimed at the Israelis... Their goals are completely and
totally to eradicate any opposition to Hamas and Islam and
to move against the U.S. ultimately." [Oliver B.
Revell, former FBI official]
A 1989 early Islamic Radical Conference in Kansas City,
Missouri was attended by some of the most radical and
Mohammad Shiyam (leader of Hamas from Palestine)
Amas (leader of the Algerian Islamic Front)
Danushi (head of the Radical Tunisian Fundamentalist Group
Kustaffa (a leader of the Muslim Liberation Party based in
Kadowi (a Militant Muslim leader, originally from Egypt)
was a secret meeting to expand Jihad networks and
Freedom of speech and religion allows terrorist
organizations to function and organize themselves freely.
poses a real threat to us that they can come to full
potential. We really don't know their capabilities and
intentions until we actually see them in action."
[Oliver B. Revell, FBI]
Dozens of conferences have been documented in the USA
where militant leaders from around the world have praised
acts of terrorism, urging their followers to wage Jihad,
"If you take the kind of speeches that Sheik Rahman
was giving before the attack in the WTC bombing, it is
sort of the equivalent of yelling fire in a crowded movie
theatre. Words have consequences. And when you go every
Friday to the mosque and give this kind of stem-winding,
blood curdling speech, at some point you have to be
responsible for the consequences."
[Paul Bremer, a former State Department official]
"In the hour of judgment the Muslims will fight the
Jews and kill them." [Yousef Al-Qaradhwi]
"We ought to listen to what they say and what they
intend to do. It is their own words, their own actions,
and their own deeds that are the key to our understanding
of their intentions." [Oliver B. Revell, FBI]
"We want the small Muslim community to server as a
dagger in the center of this civilization." (Sami
Dhafar of the Islamic Charity Project International.)
"And their intentions are to harm the United States
in very significant ways and to reduce their ability to
oppose their international agenda." [Oliver B. Revell,
Kamal Hillbawi of the Muslim Brotherhood (in 1990 Kansas
City) stated: "Open the borders of Jordan to the
Muslim youth so they may confront the Jews and the
Americans at once."
At a 1993 New Jersey Hamas rally of IAP they festively
sang songs with such lyrics, translated, as "We solve
our problems with the Kalashnikov (a Russian
semi-automatic rifle)" and "We buy paradise with
the blood of the Jews."
Literature preaching hatred and intolerance is
increasingly found in Islamic bookstores throughout the
United States, demonizing Judaism and attacking
Islamic summer camps encourage youth to embrace radical
ideals, a culture of violence for armed struggle and
Sheik Mohammad Al-Asi of the Islamic Education Center in Potomac
Maryland, claims that the U.S. government is
"under a Zionist cloud" and urged to
"strike against American interests there." He
routinely calls for the destruction of Israel, Egypt and
any regime allied with the United States.
Al-Asi spoke at a conference sponsored by the Islamic
Committee for Palestine (ICP) based in Tampa Florida and
which is labeled a charitable organization, yet is
supports the terrorist group Islamic Jihad, which is
responsible for some of the bloodiest terrorist acts of
the last ten years.
Sami Al-Arian, Professor of Engineering at the University
of South Florida in Tampa, hosts the cable TV show
"Peace Be Upon You" and is president of the ICP.
to law enforcement officials, ICP is the primary support
group in the U.S.A. for Islamic Jihad, promoting Islamic
Jihad in the U.S.A. and the middle east. Islamic Jihad's
agenda is to establish a fundamental Islamic state upon
Israel, destroying Israel.
Dr. Al-Arian denies terrorist links, yet has written in a
speech published by the ICP,
assemble today to ... pay respects to the march of the
martyrs... and to the river of blood that gushes forth and
does not extinguish, from butchery to butchery, and from
martyrdom to martyrdom, from Jihad to Jihad."
A frequent visitor and contributor at the Masjid Al-Qassam
is Sheik Al-Asis Uda (spiritual leader of Islamic Jihad
and uninvited co-conspirator of the WTC bombing). At an
ICP sponsored Islamic speech in Chicago's McCormick Center
Hotel in 1990, Uda spoke:
Allah is bringing the Jews back to Palestine in large
groups from all over the world to their big graveyard,
where the promise will be realized upon them, and what was
destined will be carried out."
Paul Bremer, a former State Department official, stated
that Uda's frequent trips in and out of the U.S.A.
indicate that immigration procedures dealing with
terrorists are lax and shocking,
it means in effect is that it is easier to come to the
U.S. as a terrorist than as a refugee."
get in through groups such as the non-profit organization
Islamic Charity Project International (ICPI), which brings
radical extremists into the U.S. Law enforcement officials
say ICPI money goes to Jihad activities.
At an ICPI conference, Ahmad Nofal spoke of the killing of
Rabbi Kahane and the bus hijacking and destruction in
Israel. Who is behind it? These lessons speak for
themselves. Sheik Nofal is a known recruiter of Hamas
ICPI's most prominent member is Sheik Omar Abdul Rahman.
"Sheik Rahman is the leader, is the organizer,
is the impetus for
the foot soldiers to strike at America as the Great Satan,
and to damage America, to try and unnerve America, and sap
the will of America by terrorist attacks." [Michael
Cherkasky, Manhattan D.A. ]
"If you listen to what they are saying. Israel, Egypt
and Jordan are surrogates for the United States. That they
are puppets and we are the puppeteer, and the way to
strike at [them] is thru the United States, because
without the U.S. they could not exist. We are the
ultimate. We are the Great Satan, that is their primary
and ultimate target." [Oliver Revell, FBI]
As the activities of Muslim radicals expand in the United
States, future attacks seem inevitable. Combating these
groups within the boundaries of the constitution will be
the greatest challenge to law enforcement since organized
They believe that all the westerners are the enemies of
Islam and that all the Christian and Jewish groups are
enemies of Islam.
"Democracy means something different to them.
Hitler came to power in a democratic means. Mussolini came to power in a democratic means. Those people are
using democracy just to reach power. Once they have the
power, there will be no democracy. I heard it over and
over and over from many of them. They are saying there is
no democracy in Islam." [Seif Aswami, moderate
47) "The very freedoms
that allow them to function and operate are what they
despise and it is a paradox that we have not come to grips
with it as a nation." [Oliver B. Revell, FBI]
Though some militant organizations may portray themselves
as moderates, it is in fact that it is moderate Muslims
who are most threatened. The militant's agenda demands
confrontation with any group that disagrees with their
radical vision. Although the militants claim to speak on
behalf of all Muslims, Islam as a religion does not
condone violence. The radicals represent only themselves,
an extremist and violent fringe.
is one the most revealing articles available. Jihad is
jihad by Steven Emerson
One on One with Steven Emerson:
'Jihad is jihad'
Ruthie Blum , THE JERUSALEM
Investigative Project on Terrorism executive director
Steven Emerson claims that radical Islam is alive and well
in America - thanks to the tacit cooperation of government
agencies which embrace the very groups they should be
Steven Emerson's delicate delivery belies the pungency -
and punch - of his words. Whether this is the result of
having heard it all and said it all in every possible
forum is not clear. In fact, delving beneath the surface
of radical Islamic activity, only to discover additional
layers with each dig, could just as easily have the
opposite effect on one's demeanor. Particularly when the
information being uncovered is pooh-poohed in some
fashion. Or when its disseminator is dismissed as alarmist
at best, and anti-Muslim at worst.
But Emerson - an investigative journalist turned NGO
director - doesn't appear to be perturbed on a personal
level. It's the public response to what he claims is a
pernicious network of terrorist cells within the United
States, fronted as humanitarian organizations, that gets
"The US government, the media and the intelligentsia
are witting and unwitting enablers of radical Islam,"
says Emerson, a best-selling author, whose books include
American Jihad: The Terrorists Living Among Us (2002) and
Jihad Incorporated: A Guide to Militant Islam in the US
(2006), and creator of the prize-winning documentary film
Jihad in America (1994).
Here earlier this month to speak at the seventh annual
conference of the International Institute for
Counterterrorism (ICT) in Herzliya, Emerson, who founded
and heads the Washington DC-based Investigative Project on
Terrorism, gave The Jerusalem Post an overview of the
situation he believes will only really be solved when
Islam undergoes a genuine reformation.
In an hour-long interview at the David Intercontinental
Hotel in Tel Aviv on the eve of the conference, Emerson,
50, punctuated this sentiment by pointing to the
Dolphinarium across the street - the site of the 2001
suicide bombing that left 21 people dead and more than 100
"What we're looking at," he says, poker-face
intact, "is the marker of where 'lesser jihad' was
carried out against young Israelis at a discotheque."
What is the purpose of conferences on counterterrorism? Do
they have any effect?
Conferences are ubiquitous - mainly good for networking
and making contacts. In the intelligence community, the
best way of developing information and getting new ideas
is to meet people who do different things in the same
area. And conferences also bring in revenue for the
What about meeting people with different views on
terrorism and how to combat it? These conferences, both in
Israel and abroad, seem to have such a wide range of
ideological slants as to render them useless.
Oh yes. Take the Aspen Institute's annual terrorism
symposia, for instance. There participants believe that
Prozac and therapy should be dispensed to terrorists. It's
so "Kumbaya" that one would gag if forced to
attend. It all comes down to the Harvard University view
of terrorism, according to which terrorists carry out
aggression because they are "humiliated." It's
the pseudo-psycho view that offers justification for the
committing of violent acts, and ends up blaming the victim
rather than the terrorist. This is ridiculous, of course.
I feel humiliated when I get a ticket; but that doesn't
mean I get to shoot a cop. The whole field became a gravy
train in Washington for many people after 9/11, thanks to
the hundreds of millions of dollars dispensed by the US
government to think tanks and academic centers.
These centers are overwhelmingly anti-American and
anti-Israeli, and thus full of pro-Islamist ideologues or
just plain charlatans. My organization does not take a
dime of government money, so we are free to call the shots
as we see them.
How do you see General Wesley Clark, the keynote speaker
at the ICT conference this year, for example?
Clark is not someone for whom I have much respect, since
he's been championing the notion that we should be talking
to Iran and Syria, effectively rewarding them for their
terrorist activities. He has also spoken about being nicer
to terrorists. In fact, in 2004, when he was running for
president, he sent a tape of an address to a radical
Muslim convention, greeting participants as though they
were members of the Rotary Club. Now, this was a combined
group of the Muslim American Society and the Islamic
Circle of North America, both of which have long been
affiliated with radical Islamic groups, and whose previous
conventions have been full of invectives for the US and
Israel, replete with calls for jihad. Had Clark cared to
do any due diligence, he would have discovered the
extremist ideologies of these groups. But either he didn't
bother to investigate, or he simply bought into the
propaganda that these two groups were
Even after I pointed out these groups' ulterior radical
agenda in a debate I had with him on cable television
about the appropriateness of his speaking before them, he
continued to perpetrate the charade that all he was doing
was engaging in "outreach" to innocent Muslim
The new book and documentary film I'm working on - The
Grand Deception - is about how the US government, the
media and the intelligentsia are witting and unwitting
enablers of radical Islam, by accepting front groups for
the Muslim Brotherhood or for Hamas as credible and
legitimate. This is particularly egregious at the highest
levels of the government - such as the State Department,
Department of Homeland Security, Justice Department and
the FBI - who meet and greet groups they should be
investigating, not embracing. This sends a terrible signal
to genuine Muslim moderates and the Muslim rank-and-file,
reinforcing their sense that it is the radical groups who
are respected by the government.
There is a criminal trial presently under way in Texas of
a suspected Hamas charity. The revelations that have
emerged in the trial - probably the most striking findings
since those that came out in the 1949 Alger Hiss trials -
are that the Muslim Brotherhood had secretly set up shop
in the US under the cover of "charitable"
organizations, with the specific purpose of waging jihad
from within and subverting the United States until it
became a Muslim country. Yet, neither The New York Times
nor The Washington Post published these findings.
This sounds reminiscent of the Cold War era, with witting
and unwitting "fellow travelers" in the West
furthering the communist agenda.
Then, too, there was a refusal to recognize that there
were communists and communist fronts in the US, put up by
the Soviets. This is the same type of structure, but much
more extensive and less likely to fall down on its own.
Why is it less likely to "fall down on its own?"
Because it's ideologically and religiously based.
Communism was ideologically based, and for some it was
even a kind of religion.
Yes, but it ultimately fell down because of its internal
economic contradictions. Radical Islamic ideology
transcends economics. That's why Hamas beat the
Palestinian Authority in the West Bank-Gaza elections, and
why Fatah got its ass kicked in the war in Gaza. Because,
whereas the PA doesn't stand for anything other than
corruption, Hamas adheres to a genuine ideology of
destroying the West and the Jews. It's not going to be
swayed by having villas on the sea.
You're saying that money is not its driving force, yet
much of your research involves following the money trail.
Isn't it relevant, then?
Money is relevant, but dollar-for-dollar, Islamist
terrorist attacks are cheaper than any other type of
Because it's not done for profit. Take the 9/11 attacks.
At a cost of $500,000, they caused $500 billion worth of
damage. That's a great rate of return. Even though the US
Treasury has done a good job of seizing terrorist assets,
al-Qaida is on the resurgence, and Saudi Arabia, despite
the ritual slap on the wrist, continues to pump tens of
millions a year into radical Islamic groups.
Speaking of which, how could those attacks have taken
everybody by surprise?
There are several reasons, other than the obvious failure
on the part of intelligence and law-enforcement services
to connect the dots. The perpetrators of the attacks were
regular visitors of known mosques; they were well taken
care of; they were given logistical support, such as
drivers' licenses. The FBI leadership's self-serving
explanation was that these guys were working alone and
therefore couldn't have been stopped. That's bullshit, and
FBI agents have admitted to me that it is. The dirty
secret of 9/11 is that there was logistical support from
members of the Muslim community in the United States.
What could possibly be the motive of the FBI to ignore
subversive activity in the first place, and fail to
investigate it afterward?
I want to make a distinction between the FBI field agents
and FBI headquarters. The headquarters are where the
"suits" hang out, away from reality on the one
hand, and subject to political winds on the other. The
field agents, in contrast, know exactly what they're
dealing with. But they are given instructions to go and
"make nice" with the Muslim community in their
Well, it's proper for the FBI to have good community
relations with all ethnic groups. But the question is:
Whom are you going to anoint as the representative of a
given group, in this case the Muslim community? The FBI
has allowed itself to be manipulated into anointing the
Muslim Brotherhood as representatives of the Muslim
Why is the FBI not reaching out to the moderates?
The sad reality is that the vast majority of institutional
organizations in the hierarchical Muslim spectrum
represent the Muslim Brotherhood, the Wahhabis or the
Salafists. It's a microcosm of the Muslim world. And we
deceive ourselves into believing that the American Muslim
community is somehow insulated from the "paranoia
propaganda" that exists in the Muslim world as a
whole - that which claims the Christians and the Jews are
out to subjugate Islam.
Where does this alleged self-deception come from?
To a certain extent, it comes from naivete. It reflects
our own belief system. If we don't lie, we don't expect
others to lie. If we don't hide behind a religion, we
don't expect others to do so. Radical Muslims have no
compunction about hiding behind the banner of Islam, while
crying racism any time they're criticized and conflating
criticism of their groups with criticism of their
religion. Politicians run for cover at that point. And the
media goes along with it.
Jews are accused of crying anti-Semitism whenever Israel
is criticized. Why is this any different?
While perhaps the use of the term anti-Semitism is
sometimes excessive, at least there's a heterogeneity of
opinions within the Jewish world and Israel. Such
heterogeneity does not exist within the Muslim world. You
either support Hamas or you're considered a heretic.
Nobody is allowed to dispute the views of the Muslim
Brotherhood. Jihad, then, becomes obligatory for
everybody. As for the distinctions between anti-Semitism
and "Islamophobia," there are several: According
to the Justice Department's annual bias reports, there are
at least 10 times more hate crimes committed against Jews
than against Muslims. But the news coverage reflects the
Secondly, Muslim groups in the West routinely fabricate or
exaggerate "hate crimes" against Muslims; they
even categorize the arrests of Islamic terrorists as hate
crimes. Finally, the entire concept of "Islamophobia"
was invented by radical Islamic groups in Britain in the
1990s as a means of discrediting legitimate fears of
If, as you claim, the vast majority of institutional
Muslim organizations represent the radicals, is there such
a thing today as "moderate Islam"?
There is a moderate Muslim tradition that exists. You can
see it in the actions and behavior of some Muslim leaders
in the US - like Sheikh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani and Dr. M.
Zuhdi Jasser - religious Muslims who have rejected
terrorism and extremism. There are also secular Muslims -
such as intellectual Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who is one of the
bravest women I have ever met. But since she's rejected
Islam entirely, she has no religious standing.
And, as courageous as the above figures are, they don't
have the following that CAIR [the Council on American
Islamic Relations] does, because Saudi Arabia's not
supporting them financially. There exists no Saudi
"Peace Now" movement to back them. There's
virtually nobody in the established Islamic hierarchy that
will support any Muslim who denounces holy war. Of course,
there are the ersatz moderates who assert that jihad does
not mean holy war - that it only means striving. These are
the propagandists who whitewash Islamic extremism.
Do all these Muslim leaders really support jihad, or are
they afraid to come out against it for fear they will be
targeted for assassination by radicals?
So far, there is no reformation going on within the
Islamic world. The imams who espouse jihad and the killing
of Jews and Christians are sincere in their belief. A
relative handful of individual Muslim intellectuals and
leaders have spoken out, but they have not garnered a
major following. It's a fact of life that those willing to
stick their necks out of the foxhole risk getting shot at.
You make a distinction between the "suits" in
the FBI and organized Muslim institutions and the
rank-and-file in the field. Extending that analogy to the
American people as a whole, would you say that The New
York Times and The Washington Post are perhaps not
representative of the majority?
I definitely think the analogy can be extended, and that
the American public gets it: They understand there is a
problem with radical Islam.
The elite newspapers, with the exception of The Wall
Street Journal, systematically censor the news in order to
downplay the threat, or at worst, literally distort the
facts to falsely portray radical Islamic groups in the
United States as victims, which is exactly in line with
the victimology propagated by these groups. If
misreporting were a crime, a lot of reporters would be in
How do you answer your many critics who accuse you of
being paranoid and a conspiracy theorist?
That I wish my conjectures had not come true. In 1994,
when I did the film Jihad in America, I was accused of
being alarmist and histrionic. Yet, every Islamic radical
in that film was subsequently indicted, convicted or
deported. And if you look at a map of cells or groups
operating in the US over the last 15 years, you will see
that virtually every radical Islamic group has had a
presence in the US, in more than 100 cities. I deal with
information - hard, cold facts based on documents,
recordings or impeccable law-enforcement sources. The
reality I predicted in 1994 came to fruition in 2001. Had
I investigated an easier group, let's say the Ku Klux
Klan, I can assure you I would have been lauded all
around, with no charges of being a conspiracy theorist.
Its just that the KKK does not have a powerful PR machine
with sympathetic members of the press.
In spite of all that, and in spite of the 9/11 attacks,
why does one get the sense that people in the West are not
as shaken by the phenomenon as they should be?
Because people only believe there's a threat when there's
violence. If a group is only spreading its word, or only
transferring money to suicide bombers in Israel, it isn't
perceived as a threat.
Still, 9/11 did arouse awareness that terrorism is
present. The point I have been stressing is that terrorism
is the ultimate culmination of political Islam - political
Islam being the indoctrination that Islam will reign
supreme, and that Shari'a will be the law of the land.
How do you rate Israel's response to terrorism?
Israel responds in the same way most Westerners respond.
If there's blood in the streets, they respond. If there's
not, they don't. That's why Yasser Arafat was touted as a
"man of peace," when all he was was a terrorist
thug. His legacy will be the introduction of the greatest
amount of arms and explosives into the most concentrated
territory in the world on both sides of Israel's border.
So now Israel has three Lebanons. This is not only
Arafat's legacy, but that of the Israeli politicians and
of former US president Bill Clinton, who brought them
together, and whose advisers for seven long years
deliberately averted themselves to the consistent and
massive violations of the Oslo Accords by Arafat and his
What about incumbent President George W. Bush - whose own
legacy will include backing Israel's disengagement from
the Gaza Strip, Egypt's control of the Philadelphi
corridor and PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas's being supported
as a moderate?
Indeed, Abbas is not capable of doing anything - not even
tying his own shoelaces - let alone controlling any
security force or representing anybody other than himself
and his family. It's a charade that Secretary of State
Condoleezza Rice is propping up. That Bush has bought into
the malarkey is partly a function of Israeli leaders'
blinding him to the cold reality.
Why would he allow himself to be blinded?
He was getting hit over the head by the press and
politicians who kept saying that he wasn't
"engaged" - a euphemism for putting pressure on
Israel, propounded by the likes of [former US ambassador
to Israel and current Brookings Institute fellow] Martin
Indyk and [former Mideast envoy and current director of
the Washington Institute for Near East Policy] Dennis
Ross. This euphemism has resurfaced as a result of Bush's
being besieged on Iraq. Needing a foreign policy victory
that Rice said she could deliver, Bush went along with it.
And he basically lost control of his agencies.
I can't claim to know what goes on in his head, but I
believe he truly knows some of these [Islamic] groups are
bad. Still, he does contradictory things. For example, a
couple of months ago, he spoke at the Islamic Center of
Washington and announced that he was appointing an
American representative to the Organization of the Islamic
Conference - a group that has supported suicide bombings.
Bush referred to them as moderates. He also spoke at a
mosque that is funded by the Saudis and which has
distributed virulently anti-Semitic and anti-Christian
literature. All of this was orchestrated by State
Department Undersecretary for Public Diplomacy and Public
Affairs Karen Hughes.
Has Bush, perhaps, relinquished his earlier convictions -
those that dominated his speeches in the immediate
aftermath of 9/11?
He goes back and forth, one minute denouncing "Islamofascism,"
another saying that peaceful jihad has been hijacked by
the those who "pervert" Islam. What crockery!
Jihad is jihad.
Yet a distinction has been made between holy war and
spiritual jihad - between the "lesser" jihad and
What we're looking at right here [he points to the
Dolphinarium below, the site of the June 1, 2001 suicide
bombing that left 21 dead and more than 100 wounded] is
the marker of where the "lesser jihad" was
carried out against young Israelis at a discotheque.
Though it's true that moderate Muslims may interpret jihad
as a spiritual struggle, radical Islamic clerics who
aren't trying to "spin" the West say openly that
jihad means only one thing: fighting for the sake of
imposing Islam. And it's both obscene and corrupt that
certain media outlets talk about it as though it were no
more than quitting smoking or cleaning up the environment.
The 3,000 killed on 9/11, and the 1,500 Israelis killed
during the second intifada, died because the perpetrators
were carrying out jihad.
Where does Iran come into all of this, and how do you
explain the Bush administration's talk of negotiating with
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?
Iran plays a vicious role in world affairs, though it is
not the spiritual center of jihad; that still resides in
Saudi Arabia. Nevertheless, certain terrorist groups, like
Hamas and Islamic Jihad, could not exist without the
training and funding they receive from Iran. The reason
the US suddenly decided to invite Iran to negotiate was
repeated pressure from the anti-Israel types - i.e. the
Council on Foreign Relations, so-called Middle East
"analysts" and the media - who kept saying that
no harm can come of talking to the Iranians. Well, harm
does come from talking. You wouldn't have sat down in 1933
with the Nazis. Yet that's exactly what's being done
today. Iran is being given legitimacy by coming to the
table. Which is exactly what Iran wants - not to
reciprocate the gesture by any agreement on its part to
lower the temperature, but to use the talks as a cover for
continuing to carry out covert activities against the
What has to happen for the temperature to be lowered?
An Islamic reformation, and that's not in the cards in the
short term. Absent that, a resolve to confront the sources
of terrorism without wavering.
A reformation from within?
That's right. And it will be plenty bloody. Unfortunately,
however, before that happens, Muslim nations like Iran
will acquire weapons of mass destruction. They will
acquire nuclear bombs, and when Ahmadinejad says Israel
should be wiped off the face of the Earth, he really means
it. And if he had the weapons to carry that out, he'd use
Where US policy vis a vis Iran and radical Islamic
terrorism is concerned, will it make any difference
whether a Democrat or a Republican wins the next
It might make a difference. In the debates so far, several
of the Democratic candidates have been taking the military
option off the table, whereas few Republicans have. For
some Democrats, even openly acknowledging the term
"radical Islam" is hard to stomach. This makes
Osama bin Laden's recent statements [on the tape he
released on the sixth anniversary of 9/11] particularly
telling. He actually recommended that Americans read books
by [left-wing author] Noam Chomsky, who cites examples of
American imperialism, and [former CIA analyst] Michael
Scheuer, who says that the US does not understand the
Muslim predicament. Scheuer's reaction to this endorsement
was pride, rather than shame. Of course, Scheuer's answer
to bin Laden is for the US to drop support for Israel,
which he contends will appease bin Laden and result in his
backing off attacks on the US. Neville Chamberlain
practiced this thinking a bit earlier - and everyone knows
the tragic results.
That Scheuer was allowed to stay at the CIA while
propagating this nonsense tells us a lot about why the US
totally misread bin Laden.
The ultimate question is whether any president has the
guts to do what is necessary. And what is necessary is
military action to take out the Iranian nuclear
facilities. This doesn't mean the massive carpet bombing
of urban centers. It means the pinpointing and elimination
of underground facilities, with the purpose of retarding
the nuclear program. It's an issue of buying time. But
then, Israel's whole existence has been one of buying
How did you get into the business of exposing jihadist
I was an investigative journalist. After producing Jihad
in America in 1994, I thought maybe I'd do another film on
a different topic. But I'd collected so much material on
radical Islamic groups - material nobody else had - that I
kept getting contacted for information from certain
members of the media and law-enforcement agencies. It was
clearly a vacuum that needed to be filled. So I
established the Investigative Project on Terrorism to
carry out in-depth investigation of these groups, and go
into areas that the FBI wouldn't be allowed to, either
because of freedom-of-speech restrictions or because of
political correctness. In any case, the FBI's mission is
not to serve as a truth-detector. Its mission is to
prevent or solve crime. So, if a mosque or other Islamic
organization lies about its aims, it's not up to the FBI
to correct that impression among the American public.
That's the work of the media or an NGO. And mine is
probably the only non-profit organization - funded only by
American contributions, taking no money from the US
government - that's taken on the radical Islamic states.
Is it true that you consider your life to be in danger,
and that as a result you are always looking over your
No. Well, the office has a false cover. And I had to move
out of my co-op 12 years ago, because my address had been
publicly identified. Let's just say that I know there's a
lot of radical Islamic animosity toward me. Even in
transcripts that were recently declassified by the Justice
Department, Hamas claimed that I was behind all of the bad
press it got in the 1990s. I wish I had been responsible,
but I wasn't. Still, the impression that I had been could
mobilize somebody to do something bad. So I do take
precautions. Whenever I speak somewhere that is made
public beforehand, I have to have some type of security. I
don't let it affect my behavior in general, though. Nor do
I have a bodyguard. Having one would be more cumbersome -
and conspicuous - than not having one.
Have you received concrete threats?
In the past I have. But I don't take the threats I receive
via voice- or e-mail seriously. Someone who's really
interested in doing something harmful isn't going to
telegraph it. I am determined not to let the Islamists
carry out their campaigns of intimidation against me or